Comments on: Look What the Discovery Channel Thinks of Female Engineers http://greengabbro.net/2007/03/27/look-what-the-discovery-channel-thinks-of-female-engineers/ rock out to the apparatus Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:15:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Eileen Woods http://greengabbro.net/2007/03/27/look-what-the-discovery-channel-thinks-of-female-engineers/#comment-21753 Eileen Woods Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:28:47 +0000 http://greengabbro.net/2007/03/27/look-what-the-discovery-channel-thinks-of-female-engineers/#comment-21753 I was one of the female engineers interviewd by Discovery. It was pretty awful. I thought we were going to discuss environmental issues and the future. My statements were basically ridiculed and I found myself defending the US at all levels. Then I had to put together some dumb little assembley of batteries to run a tiny fan. As far as age is concernd. When we were through, I was asked my age. I guess 68 was a little beyond what they were looking for. It never occured to me that 50 years of experience would be considered trivial.We're never too old to learn. And AJ, you've got to learn to spell. Thanks for letting me vent. I was one of the female engineers interviewd by Discovery. It was pretty awful. I thought we were going to discuss environmental issues and the future. My statements were basically ridiculed and I found myself defending the US at all levels. Then I had to put together some dumb little assembley of batteries to run a tiny fan. As far as age is concernd. When we were through, I was asked my age. I guess 68 was a little beyond what they were looking for. It never occured to me that 50 years of experience would be considered trivial.We’re never too old to learn.

And AJ, you’ve got to learn to spell.

Thanks for letting me vent.

]]> By: AJ http://greengabbro.net/2007/03/27/look-what-the-discovery-channel-thinks-of-female-engineers/#comment-20656 AJ Mon, 01 Oct 2007 05:55:31 +0000 http://greengabbro.net/2007/03/27/look-what-the-discovery-channel-thinks-of-female-engineers/#comment-20656 EXCUSE ME FOR THE ERRORS IN MY COMMENT BUT THIS REALLY FIRES ME UP TO THINK OF ALL THE MESS EXCUSE ME FOR THE ERRORS IN MY COMMENT BUT THIS REALLY FIRES ME UP TO THINK OF ALL THE MESS

]]> By: AJ http://greengabbro.net/2007/03/27/look-what-the-discovery-channel-thinks-of-female-engineers/#comment-20655 AJ Mon, 01 Oct 2007 05:53:11 +0000 http://greengabbro.net/2007/03/27/look-what-the-discovery-channel-thinks-of-female-engineers/#comment-20655 I'M THINKIN OF JOIN THE ENGINEERING FEILD. UNSURE OF HOW DIFFICULTS ITS GONE BE ACADEMICLY. ALL THE PROBLEMS I SEE ARE SOCIAL DISCRIMINATION AND MALES EGO AS WELL AS DOMINACE IN THAT FEILD. FEMALES ARE JUST AS SMART AND TALENTED SO WHY IS IT SUCH A LOW PERCENTAGE OF FEMALE ENGINEERS I’M THINKIN OF JOIN THE ENGINEERING FEILD. UNSURE OF HOW DIFFICULTS ITS GONE BE ACADEMICLY. ALL THE PROBLEMS I SEE ARE SOCIAL DISCRIMINATION AND MALES EGO AS WELL AS DOMINACE IN THAT FEILD. FEMALES ARE JUST AS SMART AND TALENTED SO WHY IS IT SUCH A LOW PERCENTAGE OF FEMALE ENGINEERS

]]> By: Sabine http://greengabbro.net/2007/03/27/look-what-the-discovery-channel-thinks-of-female-engineers/#comment-10857 Sabine Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:29:33 +0000 http://greengabbro.net/2007/03/27/look-what-the-discovery-channel-thinks-of-female-engineers/#comment-10857 Ahhhhhhh, I worked in that environment myself. Different ballgame entirely. At least it was a lot more subtle. :) Ahhhhhhh, I worked in that environment myself. Different ballgame entirely. At least it was a lot more subtle. :)

]]> By: yami http://greengabbro.net/2007/03/27/look-what-the-discovery-channel-thinks-of-female-engineers/#comment-10849 yami Wed, 25 Apr 2007 02:56:17 +0000 http://greengabbro.net/2007/03/27/look-what-the-discovery-channel-thinks-of-female-engineers/#comment-10849 Clearly not. Mr. X's IP is from a university mechanical engineering department. Clearly not. Mr. X’s IP is from a university mechanical engineering department.

]]> By: Sabine http://greengabbro.net/2007/03/27/look-what-the-discovery-channel-thinks-of-female-engineers/#comment-10848 Sabine Wed, 25 Apr 2007 02:46:36 +0000 http://greengabbro.net/2007/03/27/look-what-the-discovery-channel-thinks-of-female-engineers/#comment-10848 "I know a LOT of female engineers and engineernig students (you can guess what I do for a living) and in THIS GENERATION today… it is less of an issue." Bwahahaha!!! Then you <i>clearly</i> must not work in the oil and gas industry. Especially in the oil field. “I know a LOT of female engineers and engineernig students (you can guess what I do for a living) and in THIS GENERATION today… it is less of an issue.”

Bwahahaha!!! Then you clearly must not work in the oil and gas industry. Especially in the oil field.

]]> By: yami http://greengabbro.net/2007/03/27/look-what-the-discovery-channel-thinks-of-female-engineers/#comment-10847 yami Wed, 25 Apr 2007 02:39:59 +0000 http://greengabbro.net/2007/03/27/look-what-the-discovery-channel-thinks-of-female-engineers/#comment-10847 Toodleoo! (In case you come back to read this, I'd be happy to make nice and apologize. However, I didn't feel that your penultimate comment took anything that I had written into account, and I'm not in the business of going off on tangents at the whim of someone who doesn't listen to my replies. If you don't want to be mistaken for a troll you should do a better job of engaging with people's actual arguments.) Toodleoo! (In case you come back to read this, I’d be happy to make nice and apologize. However, I didn’t feel that your penultimate comment took anything that I had written into account, and I’m not in the business of going off on tangents at the whim of someone who doesn’t listen to my replies. If you don’t want to be mistaken for a troll you should do a better job of engaging with people’s actual arguments.)

]]> By: mr x http://greengabbro.net/2007/03/27/look-what-the-discovery-channel-thinks-of-female-engineers/#comment-10846 mr x Wed, 25 Apr 2007 01:27:50 +0000 http://greengabbro.net/2007/03/27/look-what-the-discovery-channel-thinks-of-female-engineers/#comment-10846 Hmmm... I guess you are right.... I am your enemy. Thanks for setting me straight. Bye... (and, no, I was not a troll: you assumed) Hmmm…

I guess you are right….
I am your enemy.
Thanks for setting me straight.

Bye…
(and, no, I was not a troll: you assumed)

]]> By: yami http://greengabbro.net/2007/03/27/look-what-the-discovery-channel-thinks-of-female-engineers/#comment-10840 yami Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:23:44 +0000 http://greengabbro.net/2007/03/27/look-what-the-discovery-channel-thinks-of-female-engineers/#comment-10840 Re: "forcing the issue", that's what they said to the suffragettes. Show me evidence of sexism withering away on its own, without a forceful feminist movement behind it, and I'll think about taking your argument seriously. If the old system is dying, it's because we're killing it. <blockquote>If you disagree with me… and some of you women might… now be gentle… this is a discussino and just because I do not agree does NOT mean I am opposed to the movement</blockquote> No, but the fact that you choose to patronize the female participants in this discussion indicates that your work as a feminist ally is probably not as effective as it could be. With concern trolls like you, who needs enemies? Re: “forcing the issue”, that’s what they said to the suffragettes. Show me evidence of sexism withering away on its own, without a forceful feminist movement behind it, and I’ll think about taking your argument seriously. If the old system is dying, it’s because we’re killing it.

If you disagree with me… and some of you women might… now be gentle… this is a discussino and just because I do not agree does NOT mean I am opposed to the movement

No, but the fact that you choose to patronize the female participants in this discussion indicates that your work as a feminist ally is probably not as effective as it could be. With concern trolls like you, who needs enemies?

]]> By: mr x http://greengabbro.net/2007/03/27/look-what-the-discovery-channel-thinks-of-female-engineers/#comment-10838 mr x Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:43:15 +0000 http://greengabbro.net/2007/03/27/look-what-the-discovery-channel-thinks-of-female-engineers/#comment-10838 So, Yami, let me ask you... They tried for a female anchor about ten years ago (co-host with Rather -forget her name); she bombed. From what I gather, the new one is bombing, too... Couric! that's right... her. But yet, I watch CNN, the View (not chatty these days - political) and I tell no difference between male and female anchors... Did the thrust on Connie Chung and Couric set women back? Did they try to force a social issue, to find that America was not ready for it? Is it possible that entrenched patriarchy simply must die out of its own? And that in some cases, forcing the issue does more damage? I would imagine that in another five years or so, with this new generation of kids, that people will simply not notice female anchors... or female engineers for that matter.... it will simply be accepted. At one point does something require forced intervention? the poster just above me displays anger "To which I wish to say, that's funny, you don't look like an a-hole" I know a LOT of female engineers and engineernig students (you can guess what I do for a living) and in THIS GENERATION today... it is less of an issue. So... Discovery wants a male engineer? Again, I suggest that they are in the business to make money. While I agree that the media has some obligation to ensure equity and morality.... to what extent? Certainly, if this host interviews female sex-bots and playboy bunnies who like to make engineering toys... then yes... that should become a focus of indignation and protest. But in all liklyhood they have done their homework and market studies indicates that a male is preferred. So what.... Is this battle really worth fighting when the old system is dying anyway? (If you disagree with me... and some of you women might... now be gentle... this is a discussino and just because I do not agree does NOT mean I am opposed to the movement) So, Yami, let me ask you…

They tried for a female anchor about
ten years ago (co-host with Rather -forget her name); she bombed.

From what I gather, the new one is bombing, too… Couric! that’s right… her.

But yet, I watch CNN, the View (not chatty these days - political) and I tell no difference between male and female anchors…

Did the thrust on Connie Chung and Couric set women back? Did they try to force a social issue, to find that America was not ready for it?

Is it possible that entrenched patriarchy simply must die out of its own? And that in some cases, forcing the issue does more damage?

I would imagine that in another five years or so, with this new generation of kids, that people will simply not notice female anchors… or female engineers for that matter…. it will simply be accepted.

At one point does something require forced intervention?

the poster just above me displays anger “To which I wish to say, that’s funny, you don’t look like an a-hole”

I know a LOT of female engineers and engineernig students (you can guess what I do for a living) and in THIS GENERATION today… it is less of an issue.

So… Discovery wants a male engineer? Again, I suggest that they are in the business to make money. While I agree that the media has some obligation to ensure equity and morality…. to what extent?

Certainly, if this host interviews female sex-bots and playboy bunnies who like to make engineering toys… then yes… that should become a focus of indignation and protest.

But in all liklyhood they have done their homework and market studies indicates that a male is preferred. So what…. Is this battle really worth fighting when the old system is dying anyway?

(If you disagree with me… and some of you women might… now be gentle… this is a discussino and just because I do not agree does NOT mean I am opposed to the movement)

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